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[14:24] <shirish> good evening people.
[14:24] <shirish> saurabh: you can start with the info. shared yesterday.
[14:24] <saurabh> Hi shirish
[14:24] <saurabh> Doing that already
[14:25] <shirish> saurabh: hey :)
[14:25] <saurabh> content will be on the mailing list in a while
[14:27] <shirish> ohk, cool. Once you do that then will start with the FAQ and the terms. I might put it in the wiki for now, later we might put it as a webpage once a newer website is there.
[14:27] <saurabh> I have removed that line for now
[14:27] <saurabh> thiught of puttinh it when we have the FAQ section ready for mailing list
[14:27] <shirish> saurabh: the line about FAQ and terms and conditions ?
[14:27] <saurabh> *thought
[14:28] <saurabh> yes
[14:28] <shirish> ohk, cool no issues. Anyways, that itself will take some time so it's good you removed that.
[14:33] <saurabh> shirish can you please check once whether it is ok?
[14:34] <shirish> saurabh: it's good but it's not for hamara-announce, but the info. is for hamara-devel
[14:35] <shirish> other than it's good.
[14:35] <saurabh> ok will modify it
[14:35] <shirish> the blurb for hamara-announce will be much different, as it will not be a place for discussions rather more of just for announcements done by us.
[14:36] <saurabh> yeah
[14:36] <saurabh> ok
[14:37] <shirish> making sure that nowhere (even by mistake) we talk about hamara-announce in there.
[14:38] <shirish> saurabh: what do you think of making a single web page which more or less tells about the list in one line as well ?
[14:39] <shirish> I will post about the same on the mailing list as well and put a tracking bug on it as well, let me know what you think.
[14:40] <shirish> saurabh: ^ also feel free to ping me once the modified http://lists.hamaralinux.org/listinfo/hamara-devel is ready.
[14:40] <saurabh> where do you think that single page should be? on hamara website?
[14:41] <saurabh> I am modifying the announce content
[14:42] <shirish> ok cool
[14:43] <shirish> saurabh: the wiki should hyperlink to wiki.hamaralinux.org , it doesn't need to be shared as a different hyperlink. The same goes for bugs which should be linked to our bugzilla instance.
[14:43] <shirish> other than that, all good.
[14:46] <shirish> saurabh: for easier understanding, see how hamara-devel archives are linked to http://lists.hamaralinux.org/pipermail/hamara-devel/
[14:46] <shirish> the same kind is needed for the wiki and the bugzilla instance.
[14:47] <saurabh> I got you
[14:47] <shirish> in any case, it's much better description than the bare one that we had listed.
[14:47] <shirish> saurabh: excited to see what content you bring forth to the announce page.
[14:48] <shirish> lemme know when it's ready.
[14:48] <saurabh> but it's just plain html I need to modify so not sure how to hyperlink a text
[14:48] <saurabh> sure
[14:49] <shirish> see the source
[14:49] <shirish> <p> To see the collection of prior postings to the list,
[14:49] <shirish> visit the <a href="http://lists.hamaralinux.org/pipermail/hamara-devel/">Hamara-devel
[14:49] <shirish> Archives</a>.
[14:49] <shirish> <a href=hyperlink> link-name </a> is as old as HTML 4.0/4.0.1 .
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[14:52] <vikas> shirish: hi
[14:53] <shirish> vikas: hey, good to see you :")
[14:53] <shirish> :)
[14:53] <vikas> shirish: small (not so great) update on sugam
[14:53] <vikas> will post on the list too
[14:53] <shirish> vikas: hmm... sure, will read and see where I can contribute.
[14:53] <vikas> have ported most of the scripts - but building @hamara infrastructure leads to dependency hell
[14:54] <vikas> the first one i just solved was upstart vs systemd :)
[14:54] <vikas> so I am creating a jessie based build server
[14:54] <vikas> which I am hoping will lead to a quick way out
[14:54] <shirish> vikas: ah right, although that preplexes me as ubuntu shared they will be porting over to systemd over a year ago.
[14:55] <shirish> still a wonder why they haven't migrated till yet.
[14:55] <saurabh> shirish : I have changed it now
[14:56] <shirish> saurabh: cool, just going there to see it.
[14:56] <vikas> thing is, the build should chroot and install whatever it needs
[14:57] <vikas> but they're are conflicts even with the versions of the tools required to build with
[14:57] <vikas> so - my first debian install in quite some time
[14:57] <vikas> feels good to be back here :)
[14:57] <vikas> has also made me happy to drop ubiquity in favour of debian installer
[14:58] <shirish> vikas: hmm.... I do have the details of the debian buildd somewhere in my mailing archives, could share that, maybe that may help with our issue.
[14:58] <shirish> vikas: that's a big load of the back.
[14:58] <vikas> shirish: let me get the build server running on jessie first
[14:59] <shirish> vikas: frankly speaking, I never liked ubiquity because it used to break in weird ways and the devs. didn't bother much about it even when I filed the bugs in 2k4/2k5 era.
[14:59] <vikas> agree
[14:59] <vikas> but it looks more elegant
[14:59] <vikas> I think we will do some work on debian installer when we have time
[15:00] <shirish> saurabh: could you also do the same for bugs -> bugs.hamaralinux.org as you have done for the wiki in both places please.
[15:00] <shirish> saurabh: as well as clean up the hamara-announce as well, you could split the content in only two paras, it looks a bit weird as of right now.
[15:00] <shirish> saurabh: thank you.
[15:00] <vikas> shirish: am off to a meeting now - will continue with the build server and update on the dev list
[15:01] <vikas> would recommend everyone here take debian jessie for a spin once
[15:01] <vikas> it will help if anyone is pitching in to sugam development later
[15:01] <vikas> bye for now
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[15:01] <shirish> sure. let me/us know, once an issue is known will be easier to find solutions
[15:02] <shirish> saurabh: is it raining at your end, at my end it's been raining cats and dogs for couple of hrs. now.
[15:02] <saurabh> yeah I have done that on devel
[15:02] <saurabh> it rained in the afternoon
[15:02] <saurabh> not now
[15:03] <saurabh> but the weather is pleasant, some relief from the Delhi's heat
[15:03] <shirish> saurabh: also on announce don't think there will be anybody else than people within hamara-devel who would have access to hamara-announce service.
[15:03] <shirish> (null)
[15:03] <shirish> saurabh: ^
[15:04] <saurabh> as of now announce is open to all
[15:05] <saurabh> anyways i will remove that line shirish
[15:06] <shirish> saurabh: but that should not remain open, because anything which comes from that is official and we would not want people announcing anything.
[15:06] <saurabh> yeah but posts are moderated
[15:07] <saurabh> so we have control over who posts what
[15:08] <shirish> true but even then IMO we just shouldn't let people post anything on that, it needs to come always from somebody@hamaralinux.org otherwise it will confuse people.
[15:08] <shirish> think from security perspective also.
[15:08] <shirish> saurabh: ^
[15:09] <saurabh> yeah, I will check the setting for this list
[15:16] <shirish> saurabh: much better thanx, could you just lump the first two paragraphs/two lines together so it reads
[15:16] <shirish> (null)
[15:16] <saurabh> sure
[15:17] <shirish> Let all of that come in one para and let the announce archives be as it is.
[15:17] <shirish> this done, we are ready for the world.
[15:17] <shirish> :)
[15:17] <saurabh> done
[15:19] <shirish> saurabh: thank you very much.
[15:19] <saurabh> I am just checking that bit now where no body can post to announce
[15:20] <shirish> saurabh: it should not be nobody should be able to post to announce, only people from @hamaralinux.org should be allowed to post and that too after it has been vetted by people.
[15:21] <saurabh> rightly said shirish
[15:21] <saurabh> I am just trying to figure that out
[15:22] <shirish> saurabh: ah ok, let me know if you need help, meanwhile putting the same on the mailing list.
[15:22] <saurabh> sure shirish
[15:31] <shirish> saurabh: just sent it to hamara-devel, just check the mail :)
[15:32] <saurabh> yeah saw it
[15:38] <shirish> cool. damn, my cup is always full :)
[15:38] <shirish> as in work todo :)
[15:39] <shirish> saurabh: shahper is a different person right ?
[15:39] <saurabh> yes he is
[15:39] <saurabh> he is a team mate
[15:41] <saurabh> he actually posted it on announce at the first place then I had to modify stuffs
[15:41] <shirish> right. just saw he added himself to bug 144
[15:41] <shirish> ah ok
[15:41] <saurabh> Yeah I asked him to do take the bug
[15:41] <shirish> ohk, cool.
[15:46] <saurabh> shirish: going for dinner might not be available for next 15 to 20 minutes
[15:46] <shirish> saurabh: no issues, just too much work, enjoy your dinner :)
[15:51] <shirish> saurabh: when back, can you see if you can do something about bug 142
[15:51] <shirish> #142
[15:51] <shirish> Hamarabot doesn't seem to understand bug numbers yet.
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