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 [14:42] <shirish>  good evening people.
 [14:43] <vikas>  hi shirish
 [14:43] <vikas>  shirish; could do with a bit of help from you
 [14:43] <shirish>  vikas: hi, just coming in, catching on the bugs.
 [14:43] <shirish>  vikas: shoot.
 [14:43] <shirish>  shoot= tell me.
 [14:44] <shirish>  vikas: ^
 [14:44] <vikas>  shirish: so yeah - the bugs that I am raising for sugam are all related to packages that i have to remove from hamara-sugam's meta package
 [14:44] <vikas>  mainly because they do not exist in debian
 [14:44] <shirish>  vikas: ok, right.
 [14:44] <vikas>  to make the job a bit quicker it would help me if you can research along side me
 [14:45] <vikas>  for example - the one I am on now
 [14:45] <vikas>  system-config-printer-gnome
 [14:45] <vikas>  we added this to sugam, because lxde does not have a nice way to configure printers
 [14:45] <shirish>  vikas: there is system-config-printer in Debian
 [14:45] <vikas>  cool
 [14:45] <vikas>  so the fix in this case is for me to pull the other package
 [14:46] <vikas>  some of these changes will be that easy
 [14:46] <vikas>  but earlier I had lightdm-webkit-greeter
 [14:46] <vikas>  and casper
 [14:46] <shirish>  [$] aptitude search system-config-printer
 [14:46] <shirish> 
 [14:46] <shirish>  p system-config-printer - graphical interface to configure the printing system
 [14:46] <shirish>  p system-config-printer-udev - Utilities to detect and configure printers automatically
 [14:46] <vikas>  casper - i have replaced with live-boot
 [14:47] <vikas>  shirish: perfect, making it so
 [14:47] <shirish>  vikas: no issues with that. there is just one thing you need to care of, if that happens then this will be easy to tackle anytime.
 [14:48] <vikas>  this is where I am working:
 [14:48] <vikas>  https://git.hamaralinux.org/vik/hamara-packages/blob/development-debian/hamara-packages/1.0/hamara-meta/debian/control
 [14:48] <shirish>  vikas: gimme couple of minutes, writing on a bug and then searching for the other bug which you need to take care of, once that is done, we can go full speed ahead.
 [14:48] <vikas>  ok
 [14:49] <shirish>  vikas: although I would suggest not to have everything targeted to a single metapackage
 [14:49] <vikas>  we don't
 [14:49] <vikas>  we have packages listed inside that main meta package
 [14:49] <vikas>  see Package: hamara-sugam
 [14:49] <shirish>  ah ok, then it's good. what is always better to have multiple meta-packages.
 [14:49] <vikas>  true
 [14:49] <vikas>  we could do that in due course
 [14:50] <vikas>  i mean split them out
 [14:51] <shirish>  that is what I wanted
 [14:51] <vikas>  next one
 [14:51] <vikas>  apturl
 [14:51] <shirish>  the reason is so the distro. can simply pick and choose
 [14:51] <shirish>  http://bugs.hamaralinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137
 [14:52] <shirish>  I have already shared the solution, just needs somebody who implements it.
 [14:52] <shirish>  apturl is not in Debian.
 [14:53] <vikas>  what I am doing is working along this logic:
 [14:53] <vikas>  - does it exist in debian?
 [14:53] <vikas>  - if not - is there an equivalent
 [14:53] <vikas>  - if not, remove it and raise a bug to discuss implementing it or an alternative
 [14:53] <shirish>  vikas: understood. there might be an equivalent provided we know what the package does.
 [14:53] <vikas>  https://wiki.debian.org/AptProtocol
 [14:55] <vikas>  i don't see an alternative in debian
 [14:55] <vikas>  so will remove this from meta and raise a bug to discuss if we should package it
 [14:56] <shirish>  sure, both apturl and aptlinex are not there in debian.
 [14:57] <vikas>  http://bugs.hamaralinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152
 [15:00] <shirish>  vikas: replying on the bug itself.
 [15:00] <vikas>  shirish: next is indicator-messages
 [15:00] <shirish>  that is in debian.
 [15:02] <shirish>  vikas: ^
 [15:03] <vikas>  not in jessie
 [15:03] <vikas>  or it's called something else
 [15:03] <shirish>  vikas: gimme 2-3 minutes and then give a list, if there are some which are not in Debian, would raise a bug on the bugzilla instance.
 [15:03] <vikas>  problem is, i am coming across them one by one
 [15:04] <vikas>  but you can see the corresponding bugs I am raising against sugam
 [15:04] <shirish>  vikas: ohk... indicator-messages is right now in sid/unstable.
 [15:04] <vikas>  ok
 [15:04] <shirish>  vikas: let me find more details about the package.
 [15:04] <vikas>  so I am removing indicator messages and raising a bug
 [15:04] <vikas>  comment that bug with what u can find?
 [15:05] <shirish>  sure, will do.
 [15:05] <shirish>  the package has lot of history.
 [15:08] <shirish>  vikas: replied on bug 152
 [15:08] <shirish>  vikas: do you want me to open a bug on indicator-messages ?
 [15:08] <vikas>  your call
 [15:09] <shirish>  lol, you filed 153
 [15:09] <vikas>  sorry - i thought u mean't on debians tracker
 [15:09] <shirish>  vikas: it would certainly be nice if hamarabot could give us these indications.
 [15:09] <vikas>  next is firefox..
 [15:10] <vikas>  we currently build firefox from ubuntu source packages
 [15:10] <vikas>  oops - just seen the time - have to pick my son up from school! back in 15 mins or so
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 [15:12] <shirish>  vikas: cool, no issues, replied on #bug 153
 [15:13] <shirish>  amardeep: hey :)
 [15:19] <amardeep>  shirish: hi
 [15:20] <shirish>  amardeep: good to see you, are you familiar with workings of hamarabot ?
 [15:20] <shirish>  amardeep: if yes, maybe you can help with http://bugs.hamaralinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138
 [15:21] <amardeep>  shirish: sure I can check
 [15:21] <amardeep>  give me 5 mins
 [15:21] <shirish>  this would make hamarabot much more useful than simply recording the log as it does, which is useful but would be better.
 [15:21] <shirish>  amardeep: sure, thanx.
 [15:24] <shirish>  amardeep: there is something called bugzilla-linker but can't find the code or binary for it, hunting on github.com
 [15:25] <amardeep>  shirish - ok
 [15:32] <vikas>  amardeep, shirish: hamarabot is using eggdrop
 [15:33] <vikas>  it's currently running from web.hamaralinux.org - you'll see a process running under my user
 [15:36] <amardeep>  vikas: sure
 [15:36] <shirish>  vikas: ah yes, seems only single developer or something and they use antiquated cvs.
 [15:36] <vikas>  shirish: it was the easier bot to setup in the end
 [15:36] <vikas>  shirish: i did try a couple
 [15:37] <vikas>  happy for it to be replaced
 [15:37] <shirish>  vikas: not complaing, just stating the fact.
 [15:37] <vikas>  don't worry - i have no love for eggbot in particular :)
 [15:39] <shirish>  there are so many, damn. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_bots
 [15:40] <shirish>  would share all this info. then on the bug.
 [15:40] <shirish>  vikas: which is the next one in your list ?
 [15:43] <vikas>  am just building and pushing a new hamara-meta package
 [15:43] <vikas>  this will give me an updated list
 [15:44] <vikas>  i have to leave for an appointment - but let me try and get this list before I go
 [15:45] <vikas>  ok - have cleared all the dep issues in hamara-sugam
 [15:45] <vikas>  but there are some in hamara-sugam-data
 [15:45] <vikas>  need to move to those next
 [15:46] <vikas>  i am out of time for now - but if anyone wants to continue checking and posting on the mailing list, that would be helpful
 [15:47] <vikas>  actually - scratch that last comment
 [15:47] <vikas>  i can see the fixes for hamara-sugam-data
 [15:47] <vikas>  i will try to continue with this after an hour or so
 [15:48] <vikas>  out for now..
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 [16:21] <shirish>  amardeep: just ping me when you are back
 [16:37] <shirish>  going for dinner, bbi 10-15 mins. at the latest.
 [16:42] <amardeep>  shirish: got stuck somwhere
 [16:42] <amardeep>  shirish: I'll check that plugin thing
 [16:52] <shirish>  back :)
 [16:52] <shirish>  amardeep: no issues.
 [16:53] <shirish>  amardeep: have listed a few bots at #bug 132 which could do the needful.
 [16:53] <amardeep>  shirish: thanks for that
 [16:53] <shirish>  amardeep: do you know if any features besides logging hamarabot performs ?
 [16:53] <amardeep>  I'll have a look as soon as I get free
 [16:53] <shirish>  sure
 [16:53] <amardeep>  shirish: not at the moment
 [16:54] <shirish>  ok
 [16:54] <amardeep>  shirish: I have not looked at it extensively
 [16:54] <shirish>  perhaps if vikas joins us then we will know, till then will see what other IRC bots offer.
 [16:55] <amardeep>  I'll be leaving home in 5 mins
 [16:55] <amardeep>  will try to catch up from home
 [16:55] <amardeep>  and meanwhile check what bot offers
 [16:56] <amardeep>  shirish: vikas also wanted to discuss about firefox on debian
 [16:56] <amardeep>  shirish: because its not in debian repo
 [16:56] <shirish>  amardeep: yup, know that, let him come
 [16:56] <shirish>  amardeep: it's there, just listed as iceweasel.
 [16:56] <amardeep>  shirish: so name is changed?
 [16:56] <shirish>  iceweasel = firefox + debian patches.
 [16:56] <shirish>  amardeep: ^
 [16:57] <amardeep>  shirish : ah!
 [16:57] <shirish>  the MPL forbids any addition to the binary
 [16:57] <shirish>  hence the need to remove branding of firefox.
 [16:57] <amardeep>  understand
 [16:57] <shirish>  It is publicly documented, let me find it in few minutes.
 [16:58] <amardeep>  then its staright forward for vikas to add that
 [17:00] <shirish>  amardeep: yup, see https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
 [17:00] <amardeep>  shirish: great
 [17:01] <shirish>  amardeep: they have packaged a great many extensions too, let Vikas come and then we can talk about that.
 [17:01] <amardeep>  ok cool
 [17:01] <amardeep>  leaving now...catch you later
 [17:01] <shirish>  amardeep: because I don't know if any addons were packaged in hamara.
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 [17:01] <shirish>  amardeep: sure, tk care, good night.
 [17:02] <amardeep>  addons as in
 [17:02] <amardeep>  extensions pre-loaded
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 [17:02] <amardeep>  shirish: as far as I remember
 [17:03] <amardeep>  we was just re-branding default firefox
 [17:03] <amardeep>  so nothing additional added
 [17:03] <shirish>  amardeep: ah ok, it's not additional added, it's making sure that the extensions have gone through security-support, mostly a trust issue.
 [17:04] <amardeep>  right
 [17:04] <shirish>  and debian-policy does have lot of hardening so package quality is better than taking from anywhere else.
 [17:04] <amardeep>  no doubt about that
 [17:05] <shirish>  almost 80 odd extensions packaged so far.
 [17:06] <shirish>  skins/themes would be another 10-20.
 [17:06] <amardeep>  cool
 [17:07] <amardeep>  bye for now..good night..catch later
 [17:07] <shirish>  bye... catch you later, tk care.
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 [17:40] <vikas>  shirish: sorry, couldn't make it back here in time.
 [17:41] <vikas>  Just an update for the log
 [17:41] <vikas>  I replaced Firefox with iceweasel for now.
 [17:42] <vikas>  We can decide final strategy in due course.
 [17:42] <vikas>  Catch up tomorrow.
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 [17:49] <shirish>  ok cool. have been working on the minetest thing so didn't catch you.
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