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[13:56] <sha123> good evening people.
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[14:27] <kuldeepdhaka> HamaraBot, ident
[14:27] <kuldeepdhaka> HamaraBot, ?
[14:28] <saurabh> Hi kuldeepdhaka
[14:28] <kuldeepdhaka> saurabh, hey!
[14:28] <saurabh> good evening sha123
[14:29] <saurabh> kuldeepdhaka Hamarabot logs the irc chat. it's a bot
[14:29] <sha123> kuldeepdhaka: it is a bot which basically does the job of having a log of IRC which can be seen at irclogs.hamaralinux.org
[14:30] <sha123> so people do not miss out on conversations.
[14:30] <kuldeepdhaka> saurabh, i though it does more than logging
[14:30] <kuldeepdhaka> like slapping and stuff
[14:30] <sha123> kuldeepdhaka: I don't think the bot does that, but would be fun if we had some scripts to interact with the bot.
[14:30] <saurabh> only if it can recognize such people kuldeepdhaka
[14:31] <sha123> ah, so it does
[14:31] <saurabh> pun intended
[14:31] <sha123> lol, ok :)
[14:32] <sha123> using a throwaway handle as I hope quassel is bug-fixed soon so can use my own handle but till that time this will have to do.
[14:32] <kuldeepdhaka> i would like to know more about the project, company and about its model
[14:32] <sha123> kuldeepdhaka: you would do well to see hamaralinux.org and wiki.hamaralinux.org first
[14:32] <sha123> if you have any queries after that raise it here or on the list.
[14:34] <sha123> you will need to subscribe to it though, it's a mailman instance so should be easy to subscribe.
[14:35] <kuldeepdhaka> (btw i saw your email regarding in ilugc)
[14:35] <sha123> kuldeepdhaka: good, nice :)
[14:35] <kuldeepdhaka> s/regarding//
[14:37] <sha123> yup. You are welcome to sign up at careers@hamaralinux.org . We are looking for interns at this point, at some point we would also need experienced hands as well, so depending on what your skills are, you can drop your resume at careers@hamaralinux.org
[14:37] <kuldeepdhaka> (im not looking for job, but more than that.)
[14:38] <kuldeepdhaka> compiling from source OR derivative of a bigger project?
[14:38] <sha123> ah, ok please share little bit of background and I'll try to help you out in whichever way I can.
[14:38] <sha123> we are using debian as our upstream so it is a derivative.
[14:38] <sha123> or more properly a debian-derivative
[14:39] <sha123> there are number of initiatives and goals that we want to achieve with the project.
[14:39] <kuldeepdhaka> oh, good. so get the benefit of debian with local support :)
[14:39] <sha123> yup, that is the idea, sure.
[14:40] <sha123> we do also hope to in times to come have 2-3 DD's who are contributing to the Debian project itself so that wherever possible, deltas are small and few.
[14:40] <sha123> but that would be probably 6 months to a year from now, we haven't really discussed that in much detail.
[14:41] <sha123> as right now we are in the midst of making a somewhat buggy .iso
[14:41] <sha123> the buggy part being we do not know the shape of the .iso unless we have more testers
[14:41] <sha123> kuldeepdhaka: share a bit of your background so I can share information which may align with your interests.
[14:42] <kuldeepdhaka> Im the co founder of Madresistor (madresistor.com), a Delhi based startup, we are developing a DAQ platform for education purpose (with hackers and tinkers included).
[14:43] <kuldeepdhaka> we have primarily developed the project on GNU/Linux.
[14:43] <kuldeepdhaka> so, we were looking for some distribution that is intended for Indian user and we can bundle our software with it.
[14:44] <kuldeepdhaka> project will be full free/open source software + hardware. with everything publicly available
[14:46] <sha123> kuldeepdhaka: I think we did talk about your project before, on another fora, this is shirish :)
[14:47] <kuldeepdhaka> sha123, shrish that you? oh, you are cool!
[14:48] <sha123> kuldeepdhaka: yup, had sent a mail to you @madresistor.com id on March 28, didn't hear anything back from you.
[14:48] <sha123> so thought that the project has gone in a limbo.
[14:50] <kuldeepdhaka> nah, things are not that beautiful when bootstrapping
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[14:54] <sha123> kuldeepdhaka: agree with that.
[14:54] <sha123> libregeekingkid: good evening, still in delhi or back in Pune, did try to call you.
[14:55] <kuldeepdhaka> sha123, we can use Hamara for our software bundling
[14:57] <sha123> sure
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[15:05] <sha123> sorry was on call.
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[15:20] <sha123> kuldeepdhaka: nice talking to you, hope to hear from you soon :)
[15:20] <kuldeepdhaka> sha123, me too. :)
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[16:12] <kuldeepdhaka> sha1231, do you mean the 10 day (for debian) and 6month (for ubuntu) available of package for fix. http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/9476
[16:13] <sha1231> let me check
[16:15] <sha1231> kuldeepdhaka: was doing something else, hence didn't see your message
[16:16] <sha1231> anyways, this is the way it goes, a package normally enters unstable, sometimes it also enters experimental, for example iceweasel or firefox enters experimental
[16:16] <sha1231> [$] apt-cache policy iceweasel [20:25:27]
[16:16] <sha1231> iceweasel:
[16:16] <sha1231> Installed: 39.0~b5-1
[16:16] <sha1231> Candidate: 39.0~b5-1
[16:16] <sha1231> Version table:
[16:16] <sha1231> *** 39.0~b5-1 0
[16:16] <sha1231> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[16:16] <sha1231> 38.0.1-5 0
[16:16] <sha1231> 31.7.0esr-1~deb8u1 0
[16:16] <sha1231> 31.6.0esr-1 0
[16:18] <sha1231> (null)
[16:18] <sha1231>
[16:19] <sha1231> once it's in unstable it "usually" moves to testing within 10 days, i.e. if no major usability bugs are found.
[16:19] <sha1231> There have been more than one occasion where a package was blocked to migrate to testing due to breakage of one form or the other.
[16:20] <sha1231> a simple example would be if the newer package used the same namespace for libraries without putting a breaks/replaces of the old library in debian/control
[16:21] <sha1231> such a breakage may or may not result in either the package being not installable or in severe cases, taking down the whole system
[16:21] <sha1231> although lot of progress has been made on that front/regard in Debian.
[16:22] <sha1231> kuldeepdhaka: I took the example of iceweasel/firefox as it's the easiest to understand and almost everybody knows the product and more than some also know its release process.
[16:23] <sha1231> kuldeepdhaka: I hope I was able to answer your query.
[16:24] <kuldeepdhaka> sha1231, in simple, testing and installing of debian package is quicker. right?
[16:24] <sha1231> kuldeepdhaka: vis-a-vis as compared to what ?
[16:24] <sha1231> vis-a-vis/ or as compared to what ?
[16:25] <kuldeepdhaka> sha1231, (ubnuntu)
[16:25] <sha1231> depends on what you want to do.
[16:26] <sha1231> let's say I am developing $some software and I want to package it for debian
[16:26] <sha1231> in such case, what I would do is put up an ITP (Intend To Package) bug and target debian/experimental or debian/unstable
[16:27] <sha1231> kuldeepdhaka: if you have reportbug installed on your system, just do reportbug wnpp on the CLI and use ITP from the choices given.
[16:28] <sha1231> and then you can put up details of the software.
[16:29] <sha1231> what happens is that you are supposed to send the debian/control and debian/rules to debian-mentors and ask a DD for help in sponsoring the package
[16:29] <sha1231> the debian-new-maintainers-guide would help you quite a bit
[16:29] *** kuldeepdhaka should get a taste of debian
[16:29] <sha1231> right.
[16:30] <sha1231> basically it's upto the ftp-master (and his/er subs) who say which packages are fit to enter either experimental or unstable, their word is law.
[16:31] <sha1231> (null)
[16:32] <kuldeepdhaka> "their word is law." ;)
[16:32] <sha1231> the main issue more often than not would be support.
[16:33] <sha1231> yup, although they do explain why they didn't accept the package but this really depends on the ftp-master's mood (and they are and can be a grump lot just like our beloved lwn's editor)
[16:34] <sha1231> so sometimes you do get messages where they share why it didn't make it, sometimes they will not, so as the case elsewhere in life it's a mixture of luck, social relations as well as understanding of the culture.
[16:34] <kuldeepdhaka> :)
[16:35] <sha1231> (null)
[16:35] <sha1231> there are lot more reasons than that, I just have shared a couple on top of my head.
[16:37] <sha1231> I do remember one of the ftp-masters who had written an excellent e-mail/article on the reasons of rejecting packages, a web search should reveal that mail, if not mail me and I'll probably find and send the link to you in a day or two.
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[17:00] <sha1231> kuldeepdhaka: a good one to see this in action is bugs.debian.org/788465
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[17:00] <sha1231> just put that in your browser, you will see it will see the issue.
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[17:14] <vikas> just reading todays irc logs
[17:16] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka, sha1231: interesting discussion - I hadn't heard of madresistor before - but there are some alignments with the hamara project as we are also interested in both education and electronics / Maker / DIY
[17:17] <kuldeepdhaka> vikas, :)
[17:17] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: hi, nice to see you here
[17:18] <sha1231> vikas: hey, good to see you. I knew about him kuldeep from before but didn't know if the project was in limbo or not, he is supposed to send me an email with more details soonish.
[17:18] <sha1231> once I have some more details and hash with me if I have some queries, will forward you the same.
[17:19] <vikas> sha1231: hi - yeah, cool - looks like a few people out there are working in parallel so bringing everyone together via the distro would be good
[17:19] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: we have been playing around with a few things in the electronics field as part of the hamara project
[17:20] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: in particular we're playing with long range wireless
[17:21] <sha1231> yup, that is an interesting one.
[17:21] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: we are trying to create a solution for education / others who need access to the internet and low cost PC solutions
[17:22] <kuldeepdhaka> vikas, i had a talk on that with sha1231
[17:23] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: that's good - so we should be speaking a similar language then :)
[17:24] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: which distro do you use at the moment?
[17:24] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: and do you have particular requirements?
[17:24] <kuldeepdhaka> vikas, Fedora 19. and tested on Ubuntu 14.04 also
[17:25] <kuldeepdhaka> vikas, nothing special
[17:25] <sha1231> kuldeepdhaka: I am guessing he wanted bit more details, any specific compiler or something
[17:26] <kuldeepdhaka> vikas, gcc, qt, and other common packages
[17:26] <kuldeepdhaka> afair nothing special
[17:26] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: ok - should be fine for us then
[17:27] <kuldeepdhaka> food, bbl
[17:27] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: would be nice to know what the project does - if your looking for us to include packages - then as Shirish said - would be an idea to drop on to the devel mailing list
[17:36] <kuldeepdhaka> vikas, not just include it, also prepare a cd that will be send with device package
[17:36] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: ah - ok - yeah, that's pretty easy to do with our build system
[17:37] <sha1231> kuldeepdhaka: should be easily doable. Just would need those details to have an idea of the device, its costs
[17:39] <sha1231> it might be also possible to partner when we are going to schools, colleges and wherever else use-cases for your and our product might fit together.
[17:39] <kuldeepdhaka> sha1231, expected to <= INR 5000
[17:42] <sha1231> kuldeepdhaka: as shared, need some more details, would be sharing with few more eyes within the company and hopefully will get somebody to get in touch with you in a day or two
[17:42] <sha1231> vikas: apparently the company functions out of ghaziabad so it should be easier to have someone from hamara to connect with them once we have the details I have asked for.
[17:43] <vikas> sha1231: yeah - that's not too far from us
[17:47] <kuldeepdhaka> vikas, long range wireless, elaborate on that
[17:48] <kuldeepdhaka> vikas, we are using AirGridM5
[17:49] <kuldeepdhaka> and it has Linux kernel running in it.
[17:49] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: we have bee experimenting with using raspberrypi boards with solar panels to do the same job
[17:50] <kuldeepdhaka> vikas, it has EEPROM to store MAC information (-- you got it what i mean)
[17:50] <kuldeepdhaka> vikas, cool
[17:50] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: yes - i know what u mean
[17:50] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: what we want to do though, it make this really cheap for people and also enable self assembly
[17:51] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: this will help people maintain / repair their own networks
[17:51] <sha1231> the only issue with the pi AFAIK is it staying up if mains/grid goes down
[17:52] <vikas> sha1231: that's why our experiments run on solar ;)
[17:52] <sha1231> there are workarounds for that scenario but nothing that the Pi people have tried to address
[17:52] <sha1231> I think you shared about it.
[17:54] <vikas> kuldeepdhaka: I like airgrid's antenna though - we're experimenting with antenna currently - but theirs looks perfect!
[18:07] <vikas> outta here for today
[18:07] <vikas> have a good night people
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[18:09] <sha1231> kuldeepdhaka: probably you will send the mail tomorrow or day after talking within your company. Also would need contact details of personnel within the company to talk to.
[18:11] <kuldeepdhaka> sha1231, one thing that i still need to think is, what to do for non indian buyers. (Indian customized version will not work for them).
[18:12] <kuldeepdhaka> s/will not work/is not suitable/
[18:12] <kuldeepdhaka> and managing multiple version is headache+overhead
[18:13] <sha1231> unless have more details can't comment
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[18:13] <sha1231> although true
[18:13] <kuldeepdhaka> sha1231, (in generic sense, assume defaults)
[18:14] <sha1231> food