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[11:53] <vikas2> on train, giving up :)
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[15:16] <shirish> good evening people :)
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[15:52] <vikas1> saurabh: hi
[15:52] <saurabh> hi vikas1
[15:53] <vikas1> saurabh: ran a build last night - but I was too early
[15:53] <vikas1> saurabh: have checked and it seems upstream dropped their firefox 42 just after me :(
[15:53] <vikas1> saurabh: can you clear the workspace and run the build for me?
[15:54] <saurabh> yes sure vikas1
[15:54] <vikas1> saurabh: it's a bit difficult from here - am on train
[15:54] <vikas1> saurabh: that will get firefox 42 into the devel repo
[15:54] <saurabh> ok vikas1
[15:54] <vikas1> thanks
[15:54] <saurabh> I will run it now
[15:55] <vikas1> saurabh: make sure to clear workspace first
[15:55] <saurabh> vikas1: yes sure
[15:56] <vikas1> am thinking about forking the browser..
[15:57] <vikas1> am finding it very bloated
[16:00] <jonas> for less bloated web browser, past attempts indicates it is difficult to sustain long-term a fork of Mozilla code - working with Webkit as basis seems easier to sustain
[16:00] <jonas> I dearly recommend to support existing attempts at lightweight browsers instead of creating your own unique fork
[16:06] <vikas1> jonas: actually not a fork - but just not baking everything into firefox during the build
[16:06] <jonas> ah
[16:07] <jonas> so fork of package but not of upstream project
[16:07] <vikas1> jonas: it contains a load of stuff now that just doesn't seem relevant to the Indian subcontinent
[16:07] <vikas1> jonas: yeah
[16:07] <jonas> ok
[16:08] *** jonas curious if locale-specific build really leads to substantially lighter result
[16:08] <vikas1> jonas: would also pull out the cloud sharing stuff like pocket
[16:09] <jonas> for that you should probably consider switching to Debian package - I believe that's stripped already there
[16:09] <jonas> ...as opposed to Ubuntu, I mean
[16:09] <vikas1> jonas: yeah - i think that's where i am headed with this
[16:10] <jonas> :-)
[16:13] <vikas1> jonas: may change the name..
[16:14] <vikas1> jonas: there are very strong hindi words and association with fire
[16:15] <jonas> iceweasel ’ firefox, you mean? You feel as immune to the trademark issue as Canonical?
[16:15] <jonas> ...or yet another name?
[16:15] <jonas> no strong words tied to ice? ;-)
[16:16] <vikas1> jonas: i don't think ice really plays a big part in Hindi vocab :)
[16:16] <vikas1> jonas: most people have probably not seen it (other than in a freezer)
[16:16] <jonas> right
[16:17] <vikas1> jonas: but yeah - take your point - using the hindi version of fire or something similar might bring the wrath of mozilla
[16:17] <jonas> heh
[16:18] <vikas1> jonas: actually enforcing through the indian system on the other hand - i would say good luck with that
[16:18] <jonas> I've only ever seen the term "wrath" used is in context of India :-)
[16:18] <jonas> Shiva is the goddess to be cautious about, right?
[16:18] <saurabh> vikas1: I have triggered the build
[16:19] <vikas1> jonas: nope
[16:19] <vikas1> jonas: shiva is the god
[16:19] <jonas> oh
[16:19] <vikas1> jonas: maybe your thinking of Kali?
[16:19] <vikas1> jonas: but I'm not cautious of kali either
[16:19] <jonas> I ws thinking of a Shiva with breasts, so totally off, it seems
[16:20] <vikas1> jonas: yeah - you could piss a whole load of people off with that one :)
[16:20] <vikas1> and those dudes got trishuls (tridents)
[16:20] <jonas> no need for that :-)
[16:20] *** jonas looks up "trident"
[16:21] <jonas> ah - trefork in danish
[16:21] <vikas1> yes
[16:21] <vikas1> one of those
[16:21] <vikas1> shiva is the spiritual / ascetic / wild man / stoner of the hindu pantheon
[16:21] <jonas> our "sea king" has a trident too
[16:22] <vikas1> you will find there are significant similarities between Poseidon and shiva
[16:22] *** jonas not very fluent in greek mythology either - didn't pay enough attention in school
[16:22] <shirish> saurabh: thank you for fixing the login to the blog.
[16:23] <vikas1> also Krishna seems similarly represented in greek / norse mythology
[16:23] <vikas1> jonas: watched all those movies when i was a kid
[16:24] <vikas1> jason and thre argonauts and the like
[16:24] <vikas1> but yeah - i did study classics at school :)
[16:24] <jonas> I imagine several of the psychological features represented in various god figures are similar across cultures
[16:25] <jonas> or vise versa, depending on belief, obviously
[16:25] <shirish> just to butt in , you have to be cautious of shiva that you don't incite him to open his thread eye
[16:25] <vikas1> jonas: i think probably - people told the stories - the information passed around the network
[16:25] <shirish> his third eye open... destruction and chaos.
[16:25] <vikas1> the verbal internet
[16:26] <jonas> the multi-threaded Shiva
[16:26] <vikas1> jonas: that's a tshirt right there
[16:26] <jonas> vikas1: right - or the collective mind - again depending on belief
[16:26] <jonas> Gaia
[16:26] <shirish> or two , even verbal internet could be a good one.
[16:26] <vikas1> shirish: not sure I agree on the destruction / chaos of the third eye though
[16:27] <shirish> well in mythology, it is there.
[16:27] <jonas> as an interpretation, perhaps
[16:27] <vikas1> shirish: there seem to be depictions of the third eye being the opening of your mind to the universe
[16:28] <vikas1> shirish: I find Shiv Puran a bit of a confusing read anyhow
[16:28] <jonas> like some depict an aftermath of economic collapse as "chaos" and others as something similar to Nirvana ;-)
[16:29] <shirish> it depends on what you make of it, for instance http://www.boldsky.com/yoga-spirituality/faith-mysticism/2014/significance-of-shivas-third-eye-038244.html
[16:29] <vikas1> shirish: reading it..
[16:30] <shirish> even the wikipedia article about Shiva says about third-eye reading and destruction.
[16:30] <shirish> but yes, as you have shared, there are multiple interpretations to that.
[16:31] <jonas> the norse main God Odin has only one eye (blind on the other)
[16:31] <jonas> sends out two ravens to watch in his stead
[16:31] <jonas> "even Wikipedia" - I like your "even" there :-D
[16:32] <vikas1> shirish: in Purana desire is destroyed by the third eye
[16:32] <jonas> as if Wikipedia represents the most conservative of viewpoints somehow
[16:32] <vikas1> shirish: so, following the ascetic life and through deep meditation and renouncing worldly goods you become free from desire
[16:33] <shirish> jonas: while Wikipedia tries to be NPOV, but we know it's not.
[16:33] <vikas1> shirish: I think it's best to take Shiv Purana as the accurate source rather then Wikipedia :)
[16:33] <shirish> I actually like the buddha way, the middle path.
[16:34] <jonas> half Shiv Purana, half Wikipedia, you mean ;-)
[16:34] <vikas1> shirish: do you have a view on a browser name?
[16:35] <vikas1> shirish: we we're talking before - I had something related to Agni in mind - but there is the issue of Mozilla copyright
[16:35] <shirish> I don't have a view on the browser name, but have a view on having a nice, sweet looking mascot.
[16:36] <shirish> vikas1: the name should be something from the hamara stable, we don't have to follow mozilla.
[16:36] <vikas1> shirish: yeah - agree - a lot of new hamara users will have never heard of mozilla
[16:37] <shirish> the simplest would be 'khidkhiya' which would be a joke to 'windows'
[16:37] <shirish> but which probably would be relevant as 'windows' means having fresh air and letting new things come in, which MS-Windows never did.
[16:38] <shirish> it could be a sort of in-joke while at the same time don't think that would be copyrighted, the only thing is it would be inanimate and not an animal.
[16:38] <vikas1> shirish: :)
[16:38] <vikas1> shirish: I always struggle with the spelling in english
[16:38] <shirish> what would be nice if we could use something which we could use as a mascot and have him/her do things.
[16:39] <vikas1> khidkhiya or khirkhiya
[16:39] <shirish> d nor r
[16:39] <shirish> in chaste hindi it would khidkhiya
[16:39] <vikas1> shirish: alternatively a strong symbol
[16:39] <shirish> right.
[16:39] <vikas1> shirish: Ah - must be my punjabi flavour then
[16:40] <vikas1> I am really looking for a way to bring in Swastika
[16:40] <shirish> could be Punjabi or even UP or Bihari
[16:40] <shirish> the same word could have multiple spellings within 3-4 states
[16:40] <shirish> and Hindi within the norhern belt itself has lot of variety
[16:40] <vikas1> shirish: the rest of the world think Swastika is a german word
[16:40] <shirish> I know.
[16:41] <vikas1> Swastika Browser
[16:41] <shirish> when they actually miscontrued the swastika
[16:41] <vikas1> "The Good Browser"
[16:41] <shirish> we should indianize 'browser' as well.
[16:41] <shirish> till we don't do that, it would remain English.
[16:41] <shirish> as browser is a generic term.
[16:42] <vikas1> true
[16:42] <shirish> this is actually where having people who could work on localization, internationalization or even linguists could help us.
[16:43] <shirish> let's talk a bit more on this and then will make a mail and put in on the mailing list
[16:43] <shirish> maybe it will spark something within the small community that we have.
[16:45] <vikas1> yep - agree
[16:46] <vikas1> am logging of soon as train is almost in
[16:46] <vikas1> going home and lighting a huge bonfire
[16:46] <vikas1> not burning any guy fawkes effigies though
[16:46] <shirish> ok.... I'll also think a bit about it.
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[16:47] <shirish> AFAIK guy fawkes is in nowadays, the anti-hero.
[16:47] <shirish> libregeekingkid: please look at the archives and see if you have any ideas what we could use as a browser name.
[16:47] <shirish> today's archives i.e.
[16:47] <vikas1> 5th November is a big deal here - and coincdentally I was outside the houses of parliment just an hour or two ago
[16:48] <vikas1> had a brief though about grabbing a match box, and then thought it's not the brightest idea :)
[16:48] <vikas1> libregeekingkid: hi
[16:48] <shirish> good :)
[16:48] <libregeekingkid> hi vik shirish
[16:48] <vikas1> libregeekingkid: I was trying to send you a picture of the houses of parliment
[16:49] <vikas1> libregeekingkid: in case you didn't get it :)
[16:49] <vikas1> libregeekingkid: I was coincidentally there on 5th November
[16:49] <vikas1> libregeekingkid: wish I owned one of those masks :)
[16:49] <libregeekingkid> I just searched for guy fawkes. Just came to know that there is such a thing in UK
[16:50] <libregeekingkid> just saw the news as well
[16:50] <vikas1> libregeekingkid: so you can join the dots with the anon mask now..
[16:50] <vikas1> libregeekingkid: they use guy fawkes as their brand :)
[16:50] <libregeekingkid> vikas1: I knew about anon mask and guy fawks as well. Didn't knew it is celebrated in UK
[16:51] <vikas1> libregeekingkid: they celebrate burning him on top of a fire..
[16:51] <vikas1> ok - here's my station
[16:51] <libregeekingkid> vikas1: Will read more about it later.
[16:51] <vikas1> libregeekingkid: cool
[16:51] <shirish> he tried to bring the monarchy down so depending on how you view it, he's either the villian or the hero.
[16:52] <vikas1> shirish: he the man!
[16:52] <vikas1> shirish: monarchies expect us to eat cake