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 [15:16] <shirish>  good evening people :)
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 [15:52] <vikas1>  saurabh: hi
 [15:52] <saurabh>  hi vikas1
 [15:53] <vikas1>  saurabh: i am working on https://bugs.hamaralinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209
 [15:53] <vikas1>  saurabh: ran a build last night - but I was too early
 [15:53] <vikas1>  saurabh: have checked and it seems upstream dropped their firefox 42 just after me :(
 [15:53] <vikas1>  saurabh: can you clear the workspace and run the build for me?
 [15:54] <saurabh>  yes sure vikas1
 [15:54] <vikas1>  saurabh: it's a bit difficult from here - am on train
 [15:54] <vikas1>  saurabh: that will get firefox 42 into the devel repo
 [15:54] <saurabh>  ok vikas1
 [15:54] <vikas1>  thanks
 [15:54] <saurabh>  I will run it now
 [15:55] <vikas1>  saurabh: make sure to clear workspace first
 [15:55] <saurabh>  vikas1: yes sure
 [15:56] <vikas1>  am thinking about forking the browser..
 [15:57] <vikas1>  am finding it very bloated
 [16:00] <jonas>  for less bloated web browser, past attempts indicates it is difficult to sustain long-term a fork of Mozilla code - working with Webkit as basis seems easier to sustain
 [16:00] <jonas>  I dearly recommend to support existing attempts at lightweight browsers instead of creating your own unique fork
 [16:06] <vikas1>  jonas: actually not a fork - but just not baking everything into firefox during the build
 [16:06] <jonas>  ah
 [16:07] <jonas>  so fork of package but not of upstream project
 [16:07] <vikas1>  jonas: it contains a load of stuff now that just doesn't seem relevant to the Indian subcontinent
 [16:07] <vikas1>  jonas: yeah
 [16:07] <jonas>  ok
 [16:08]  *** jonas curious if locale-specific build really leads to substantially lighter result
 [16:08] <vikas1>  jonas: would also pull out the cloud sharing stuff like pocket
 [16:09] <jonas>  for that you should probably consider switching to Debian package - I believe that's stripped already there
 [16:09] <jonas>  ...as opposed to Ubuntu, I mean
 [16:09] <vikas1>  jonas: yeah - i think that's where i am headed with this
 [16:10] <jonas>  :-)
 [16:13] <vikas1>  jonas: may change the name..
 [16:14] <vikas1>  jonas: there are very strong hindi words and association with fire
 [16:15] <jonas>  iceweasel ’ firefox, you mean? You feel as immune to the trademark issue as Canonical?
 [16:15] <jonas>  ...or yet another name?
 [16:15] <jonas>  no strong words tied to ice? ;-)
 [16:16] <vikas1>  jonas: i don't think ice really plays a big part in Hindi vocab :)
 [16:16] <vikas1>  jonas: most people have probably not seen it (other than in a freezer)
 [16:16] <jonas>  right
 [16:17] <vikas1>  jonas: but yeah - take your point - using the hindi version of fire or something similar might bring the wrath of mozilla
 [16:17] <jonas>  heh
 [16:18] <vikas1>  jonas: actually enforcing through the indian system on the other hand - i would say good luck with that
 [16:18] <jonas>  I've only ever seen the term "wrath" used is in context of India :-)
 [16:18] <jonas>  Shiva is the goddess to be cautious about, right?
 [16:18] <saurabh>  vikas1: I have triggered the build
 [16:19] <vikas1>  jonas: nope
 [16:19] <vikas1>  jonas: shiva is the god
 [16:19] <jonas>  oh
 [16:19] <vikas1>  jonas: maybe your thinking of Kali?
 [16:19] <vikas1>  jonas: but I'm not cautious of kali either
 [16:19] <jonas>  I ws thinking of a Shiva with breasts, so totally off, it seems
 [16:20] <vikas1>  jonas: yeah - you could piss a whole load of people off with that one :)
 [16:20] <vikas1>  and those dudes got trishuls (tridents)
 [16:20] <jonas>  no need for that :-)
 [16:20]  *** jonas looks up "trident"
 [16:21] <jonas>  ah - trefork in danish
 [16:21] <vikas1>  yes
 [16:21] <vikas1>  one of those
 [16:21] <vikas1>  shiva is the spiritual / ascetic / wild man / stoner of the hindu pantheon
 [16:21] <jonas>  our "sea king" has a trident too
 [16:22] <vikas1>  you will find there are significant similarities between Poseidon and shiva
 [16:22]  *** jonas not very fluent in greek mythology either - didn't pay enough attention in school
 [16:22] <shirish>  saurabh: thank you for fixing the login to the blog.
 [16:23] <vikas1>  also Krishna seems similarly represented in greek / norse mythology
 [16:23] <vikas1>  jonas: watched all those movies when i was a kid
 [16:24] <vikas1>  jason and thre argonauts and the like
 [16:24] <vikas1>  but yeah - i did study classics at school :)
 [16:24] <jonas>  I imagine several of the psychological features represented in various god figures are similar across cultures
 [16:25] <jonas>  or vise versa, depending on belief, obviously
 [16:25] <shirish>  just to butt in , you have to be cautious of shiva that you don't incite him to open his thread eye
 [16:25] <vikas1>  jonas: i think probably - people told the stories - the information passed around the network
 [16:25] <shirish>  his third eye open... destruction and chaos.
 [16:25] <vikas1>  the verbal internet
 [16:26] <jonas>  the multi-threaded Shiva
 [16:26] <vikas1>  jonas: that's a tshirt right there
 [16:26] <jonas>  vikas1: right - or the collective mind - again depending on belief
 [16:26] <jonas>  Gaia
 [16:26] <shirish>  or two , even verbal internet could be a good one.
 [16:26] <vikas1>  shirish: not sure I agree on the destruction / chaos of the third eye though
 [16:27] <shirish>  well in mythology, it is there.
 [16:27] <jonas>  as an interpretation, perhaps
 [16:27] <vikas1>  shirish: there seem to be depictions of the third eye being the opening of your mind to the universe
 [16:28] <vikas1>  shirish: I find Shiv Puran a bit of a confusing read anyhow
 [16:28] <jonas>  like some depict an aftermath of economic collapse as "chaos" and others as something similar to Nirvana ;-)
 [16:29] <shirish>  it depends on what you make of it, for instance http://www.boldsky.com/yoga-spirituality/faith-mysticism/2014/significance-of-shivas-third-eye-038244.html
 [16:29] <vikas1>  shirish: reading it..
 [16:30] <shirish>  even the wikipedia article about Shiva says about third-eye reading and destruction.
 [16:30] <shirish>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva
 [16:30] <shirish>  but yes, as you have shared, there are multiple interpretations to that.
 [16:31] <jonas>  the norse main God Odin has only one eye (blind on the other)
 [16:31] <jonas>  sends out two ravens to watch in his stead
 [16:31] <jonas>  "even Wikipedia" - I like your "even" there :-D
 [16:32] <vikas1>  shirish: in Purana desire is destroyed by the third eye
 [16:32] <jonas>  as if Wikipedia represents the most conservative of viewpoints somehow
 [16:32] <vikas1>  shirish: so, following the ascetic life and through deep meditation and renouncing worldly goods you become free from desire
 [16:33] <shirish>  jonas: while Wikipedia tries to be NPOV, but we know it's not.
 [16:33] <vikas1>  shirish: I think it's best to take Shiv Purana as the accurate source rather then Wikipedia :)
 [16:33] <shirish>  I actually like the buddha way, the middle path.
 [16:34] <jonas>  half Shiv Purana, half Wikipedia, you mean ;-)
 [16:34] <vikas1>  shirish: do you have a view on a browser name?
 [16:35] <vikas1>  shirish: we we're talking before - I had something related to Agni in mind - but there is the issue of Mozilla copyright
 [16:35] <shirish>  I don't have a view on the browser name, but have a view on having a nice, sweet looking mascot.
 [16:36] <shirish>  vikas1: the name should be something from the hamara stable, we don't have to follow mozilla.
 [16:36] <vikas1>  shirish: yeah - agree - a lot of new hamara users will have never heard of mozilla
 [16:37] <shirish>  the simplest would be 'khidkhiya' which would be a joke to 'windows'
 [16:37] <shirish>  but which probably would be relevant as 'windows' means having fresh air and letting new things come in, which MS-Windows never did.
 [16:38] <shirish>  it could be a sort of in-joke while at the same time don't think that would be copyrighted, the only thing is it would be inanimate and not an animal.
 [16:38] <vikas1>  shirish: :)
 [16:38] <vikas1>  shirish: I always struggle with the spelling in english
 [16:38] <shirish>  what would be nice if we could use something which we could use as a mascot and have him/her do things.
 [16:39] <vikas1>  khidkhiya or khirkhiya
 [16:39] <shirish>  d nor r
 [16:39] <shirish>  in chaste hindi it would khidkhiya
 [16:39] <vikas1>  shirish: alternatively a strong symbol
 [16:39] <shirish>  right.
 [16:39] <vikas1>  shirish: Ah - must be my punjabi flavour then
 [16:40] <vikas1>  I am really looking for a way to bring in Swastika
 [16:40] <shirish>  could be Punjabi or even UP or Bihari
 [16:40] <shirish>  the same word could have multiple spellings within 3-4 states
 [16:40] <shirish>  and Hindi within the norhern belt itself has lot of variety
 [16:40] <vikas1>  shirish: the rest of the world think Swastika is a german word
 [16:40] <shirish>  I know.
 [16:41] <vikas1>  Swastika Browser
 [16:41] <shirish>  when they actually miscontrued the swastika
 [16:41] <vikas1>  "The Good Browser"
 [16:41] <shirish>  we should indianize 'browser' as well.
 [16:41] <shirish>  till we don't do that, it would remain English.
 [16:41] <shirish>  as browser is a generic term.
 [16:42] <vikas1>  true
 [16:42] <shirish>  this is actually where having people who could work on localization, internationalization or even linguists could help us.
 [16:43] <shirish>  let's talk a bit more on this and then will make a mail and put in on the mailing list
 [16:43] <shirish>  maybe it will spark something within the small community that we have.
 [16:45] <vikas1>  yep - agree
 [16:46] <vikas1>  am logging of soon as train is almost in
 [16:46] <vikas1>  going home and lighting a huge bonfire
 [16:46] <vikas1>  not burning any guy fawkes effigies though
 [16:46] <shirish>  ok.... I'll also think a bit about it.
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 [16:47] <shirish>  AFAIK guy fawkes is in nowadays, the anti-hero.
 [16:47] <shirish>  libregeekingkid: please look at the archives and see if you have any ideas what we could use as a browser name.
 [16:47] <shirish>  today's archives i.e.
 [16:47] <vikas1>  5th November is a big deal here - and coincdentally I was outside the houses of parliment just an hour or two ago
 [16:48] <vikas1>  had a brief though about grabbing a match box, and then thought it's not the brightest idea :)
 [16:48] <vikas1>  libregeekingkid: hi
 [16:48] <shirish>  good :)
 [16:48] <libregeekingkid>  hi vik shirish
 [16:48] <vikas1>  libregeekingkid: I was trying to send you a picture of the houses of parliment
 [16:49] <vikas1>  libregeekingkid: in case you didn't get it :)
 [16:49] <vikas1>  libregeekingkid: I was coincidentally there on 5th November
 [16:49] <vikas1>  libregeekingkid: wish I owned one of those masks :)
 [16:49] <libregeekingkid>  I just searched for guy fawkes. Just came to know that there is such a thing in UK
 [16:50] <libregeekingkid>  just saw the news as well
 [16:50] <vikas1>  libregeekingkid: so you can join the dots with the anon mask now..
 [16:50] <vikas1>  libregeekingkid: they use guy fawkes as their brand :)
 [16:50] <libregeekingkid>  vikas1: I knew about anon mask and guy fawks as well. Didn't knew it is celebrated in UK
 [16:51] <vikas1>  libregeekingkid: they celebrate burning him on top of a fire..
 [16:51] <vikas1>  ok - here's my station
 [16:51] <libregeekingkid>  vikas1: Will read more about it later.
 [16:51] <vikas1>  libregeekingkid: cool
 [16:51] <shirish>  he tried to bring the monarchy down so depending on how you view it, he's either the villian or the hero.
 [16:52] <vikas1>  shirish: he the man!
 [16:52] <vikas1>  shirish: monarchies expect us to eat cake