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[00:11: 0] <vik[m]> I think maybe distros struggled to survive without an obvious route to funding
[00:12: 9] <libregeekingkid> vik[m]: true.
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[00:12: 9] <libregeekingkid> But just for the information of people around here. Indlinux was not abandoned because of funding.
[00:13: 2] <libregeekingkid> It was initially started as a localization effort to Have linux localized into Indian languages.
[00:13: 2] <libregeekingkid> One of the main founders of Indlinux is Guntupalli Karunakar.
[00:14: 5] <libregeekingkid> aparantely the localizers for Indlinux then moved there localizations upstream into GNOME/KDE and other upstream projects.
[00:15: 4] <libregeekingkid> and it is then the Indlinux project was stopped and localization continued with upstream projects instead.
[00:16: 6] <libregeekingkid> We have a lot of open source softwares localized softwares available in Indian languages. A lot of its credit goes to Indlinux for initiation.
[02:23: 6] <libregeekingkid> jonas: point the PureOS folks to try out Hamara Sugam 2.0
[02:23: 0] <libregeekingkid> https://www.hamaralinux.org/2018/07/hamara-sugam-2-0-releases/
[02:40: 1] <jonas> nice!
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[03:34: 7] <techytushar> hello everyone, I am Tushar Mittal, how can I contribute to this project?
[03:39: 2] <hamara-teleirc> <rajudev> Hello techytushar, welcome
[03:41: 6] <libregeekingkid[m]> https://wiki.hamaralinux.org/wiki/index.php/Guide_for_beginners
[03:41: 0] <libregeekingkid[m]> Please go through the wiki page and ask us out in case of doubts
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[04:07: 9] <techytushar> sure, thank you
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[10:30: 8] <hamara-teleirc> <CristanoR> ðŸ‘ðŸ‘
[10:45: 6] <Dhanesh[m]> isaagar , rajudev : Did you guys sent the party box to Pune? Meet is on this Saturday.
[10:46: 7] <libregeekingkid[m]> Dhanesh: yes we have already, it should reach you by Tomorrow.
[10:50: 9] <Dhanesh[m]> Developers' call at 3? unixia rajudev isaagar anantsaraswat Manas kashyap Vik jonas Abhijith bhe
[10:51: 2] <Dhanesh[m]> rajudev , isaagar , anantsaraswat : I was thinking of hosting Meetbot on the same server. Thoughts?
[10:59: 0] <Dhanesh[m]> > <@libregeekingkid:matrix.org> Dhanesh: yes we have already, it should reach you by Tomorrow.
[10:59: 1] <Dhanesh[m]> Excellent! Thanks!
[11:41: 8] <unixia[m]> > Developers' call at 3? unixia rajudev isaagar anantsaraswat Manas kashyap Vik jonas Abhijith bhe
[11:41: 8] <unixia[m]> Yes!
[12:23: 3] <unixia[m]> > > Developers' call at 3? unixia rajudev isaagar anantsaraswat Manas kashyap Vik jonas Abhijith bhe
[12:23: 3] <unixia[m]> > Yes!
[12:23: 4] <unixia[m]> I forgot that @libregeekingkid:matrix.org has other engagements up until 3:30 PM IST. Can we do it then?
[12:40: 0] <libregeekingkid[m]> 3 PM is fine.
[13:07: 9] <unixia[m]> > <@libregeekingkid:matrix.org> 3 PM is fine.
[13:08: 0] <unixia[m]> Audio call for Devs @3PM IST
[13:20: 5] <anantsaraswat[m]> > <@dhanesh95:diasp.in> rajudev , isaagar , anantsaraswat : I was thinking of hosting Meetbot on the same server. Thoughts?
[13:20: 6] <anantsaraswat[m]> Any idea what resorces it needs ?
[13:21: 6] <anantsaraswat[m]> resources*
[13:27: 6] <Dhanesh[m]> anantsaraswat: In terms of dependencies, it requires Python and a couple of other packages (already available in the repos)
[13:27: 7] <Dhanesh[m]> In terms of computing resources, I think it'll hardly need 50MB of space and will hardly use 0.5% of Mem and 0.5% CPU
[13:37: 3] <anantsaraswat[m]> ok Let's setup this and we will see
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[13:47: 2] <bhe[m]> Dhanesh Sabane: how to add meetbot to a irc room ?
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[13:57: 4] <Dhanesh[m]> bhe: The meetbot configuration asks for the channel name and server address. Then you run the configuration using supybot.
[13:58: 7] <Dhanesh[m]> bhe: Meetbot is basically a plugin for supybot
[13:59: 3] <jonas> please use https://time.is/compare to avoid timezone calculation mistakes - am I correct that meeting is this: https://time.is/compare/15_19_July_2018_in_New_Delhi/Or%C3%B8 ?
[14:01: 4] <jonas> or same, but without referencing my timezone (with javascript enabled each viewer gets own timezoe added automagically anyway): https://time.is/1500_19_July_2018_in_India_Standard_Time
[14:02: 0] <Dhanesh[m]> jonas: That is correct.
[14:02: 7] <jonas> where?
[14:02: 0] <Dhanesh[m]> jonas: Any pointers before we jump in for the audio call?
[14:03: 0] <jonas> where is the meeting?
[14:03: 5] <Dhanesh[m]> Also, everyone, #hamara-meeting will be the backup channel on irc.oftc.net if audio call fails for some reason. Fine with all?
[14:04: 1] <Dhanesh[m]> jonas: Will declare here 15 minutes in advance
[14:04: 8] <jonas> mumble?`Jitsi? Hangouts? Skype? SIP + Phone number?
[14:04: 8] <jonas> I now run a mumble server if that is of interest
[14:06: 4] <jonas> Dhanesh[m]: not sure what is your question - should I provide pointers to something, or should I want pointers for something (other than time and place for the meeting)?
[14:06: 1] <jonas> Is there a meeting agenda somewhere? Somewhere *public*?
[14:08: 3] <Dhanesh[m]> jonas: Will probably be Jitsi. Audio only. Definitely not Hangouts or Skype/
[14:08: 8] <jonas> hm. what anything magically changed to Jitsi since last we tried and it failed for me?
[14:09: 4] <jonas> when you say "probably" does that mean I have a window to convince you guys to use Mumble instead?
[14:10: 3] <jonas> Mumble can be confusing to _establish_ so best if everyone is instructed to test their own microphone (e.g. by loging in in pairs and talk a bit to each others) _before_ the meeting starts
[14:10: 8] <Dhanesh[m]> jonas: Do you want to provide any pointers before the call?
[14:10: 5] <jonas> Mumble is in my experience the most reliable when established
[14:10: 8] <Dhanesh[m]> jonas: Nothing changed since last time.
[14:10: 1] <jonas> what pointers?
[14:11: 6] <jonas> Sorry, if nothing changed since last time, then I know already that it does not work for me :-(
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[14:11: 9] <jonas> I experienced one-way audio last time with Jitsi
[14:12: 6] <jonas> one-way audio is a classic problem of broken STUN/TURN negotiation of SIP/WebRTC
[14:12: 0] <Dhanesh[m]> jonas: Agenda is here - https://pad.disroot.org/p/Hamara_Meeting_19-07-2018
[14:12: 3] <jonas> ...something that is *not* a problem for Mumble
[14:13: 2] <Dhanesh[m]> jonas: We'll have to ask everyone else if they are comfortable with switching to mumble
[14:14: 7] <jonas> or count me out
[14:56: 7] <isaagar[m]> jonas how easy is to join mumble ?
[14:57: 4] <isaagar[m]> Dhanesh Sabane: Vik Deepak unixia rajudev Manas kashyap anantsaraswat bhe Abhijith jonas Join meet at https://meet.techblue.co.uk/hamara
[14:57: 1] <isaagar[m]> Fallback to https://meet.jit.si/hamara or mumble ?
[15:01: 6] <vik[m]> isaagar: i'm there
[15:01: 7] <Dhanesh[m]> Be there in a minute
[15:01: 7] <vik[m]> am i early?
[15:03: 1] <isaagar[m]> > am i early?
[15:03: 1] <isaagar[m]> yes
[15:05: 1] <Dhanesh[m]> Joined. Waiting for others to join
[15:07: 1] <Dhanesh[m]> > <@isaagar:diasp.in> Fallback to https://meet.jit.si/hamara or mumble ?
[15:07: 2] <Dhanesh[m]> jonas: Can we fallback to mumble?
[15:07: 4] <isaagar[m]> what happened ?
[15:07: 0] <isaagar[m]> we joined there
[15:07: 0] <Dhanesh[m]> jonas: You may want to give it a try once more. What say?
[15:08: 9] <anantsaraswat[m]> Guys
[15:08: 4] <anantsaraswat[m]> where should I join
[15:08: 9] <unixia[m]> @vik:diasp.in: join in
[15:08: 7] <unixia[m]> techblue.co.uk/hamara
[15:08: 3] <anantsaraswat[m]> ok
[15:13: 4] <anantsaraswat[m]> Vik: you joining ?
[15:15: 8] <Dhanesh[m]> https://pad.disroot.org/p/Hamara_Improvement_Ideas
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[16:16: 0] <jonas> Dhanesh[m]: I will not waste time and frustration on testing again what has not changed since last failed test.
[16:16: 2] <jonas> I dearly recommend that tests are done *before* meetings, not *during* meetings
[16:17: 4] <Dhanesh[m]> jonas: Everything is pretty smooth now without video. We didn't have to waste time. I think it should work well for you too.
[16:31: 7] <jonas> everything was fine last time too - except for me: I had one-way audio
[16:32: 2] <jonas> STUN/TURN issues can be random, which means that indeed if I try enough times, or when the moon is in the right phase, it works. Stressful. No.
[16:33: 2] <jonas> I wish you a pleasant meeting using the medium of your choice
[17:17: 8] <libregeekingkid[m]> jonas: I have used mumble within the Hillhackers community. It works great. What we guys have recently discovered is that Jitsi works great as well, when we just use it in Audio mode.
[17:18: 7] <libregeekingkid[m]> We all kind of want to stick using Jitsi in audio mode. Also it does not require anything specific to be installed on one's machine apart from a browser. That is not the case with mumble
[17:27: 6] <jonas> I am happy for you all that it works the way you want it to work
[17:27: 6] <jonas> ...doesn't change the fact that it doesn't work for me
[17:32: 8] <libregeekingkid[m]> it will work, just from next time, just use the audio.
[17:32: 4] <libregeekingkid[m]> also see if you could join in using the Jitsi app on android. It works super fine.
[18:25: 5] <jonas> what has changed, making you claim that "it will work" next time?
[19:07: 8] <vik[m]> jonas: jitsi upgrade
[19:07: 1] <vik[m]> jonas: audio only conferences are working well now, it seems jitsi for video really does require all participants to have decent bandwidth
[19:07: 5] <vik[m]> jonas: i'm looking at how we can improve on that
[19:21: 4] <jonas> sounds promising
[23:07: 9] <unixia[m]> Update: We'll handle the point release with kernel upgrade and missing slides by next week.
[23:09: 8] <unixia[m]> Infrastructure shifts and support shall also be added meanwhile. 31 July is the deadline for that.
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